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Did the first paying job tonight :D

Job came out ok, still suffering bad bevel on one side but it won't hurt on this part, these are the scraps...
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Pretty much dross free, clean-up took seconds, far better than before.

Need to do some more work on the divot issue and also why i'm seeing top spatter, i think this is a THC issue.

Also had three flame-outs, next time I am going to try running the air for a minute or two before i start work to flush out the line.

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30A consumables arrived today, gave them a spin on 1.2mm 304 stainless and got excellent results :D :D As good as the finecuts on the 30XP were at least.

Both pics as they came off the table...

Top...
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Bottom...
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Voltage was low as normal it seems, 76v instead of book 98v but speed was bang on at 4000mm/min, pierce height 2.5mm, cut height 0.5mm. Still need to dial the THC in as its a bit unstable on thin stuff but at least it works and the table is now producing paying work. :D :D

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looks like your work is paying off congrates :)
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OK, edge angularity....

Four pics of the sides of a 50mm square, 3mm, 45A, 107v, left is THC ON, right is THC OFF - very little difference.
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Using my minimalist tools, the angles appear to range from 5 -10 degrees.

I have never achieved a "square" edge, not even sure if its possible??? Cut height seems to make little difference, new consumables make little difference.

Any ideas, or is this perfectly normal????

Just to fill in the gaps on a skeleton, I filled them with these little darlings...
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Looks like repeatability is good, detail is good - these are only 40mm wide, dross was acceptable and easy to remove.

May powder coat and sell as keyrings ;)

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Here is a tutorial video about the arc shape that may help. They have many other tutorial videos dealing with plasma and other CNC operations too.
http://www.advancedrobotic.com/OoD2UnhbrIQ-video.html
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6° is the average angle I get on 3mm steel, same here never get a square cut on 3mm, maybe up to 10° on 2mm.

6mm seems the best thickness for me, you can get a square edge then.

Not sure there is anything you can do about it to be honest.
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acourtjester wrote:Here is a tutorial video about the arc shape that may help. They have many other tutorial videos dealing with plasma and other CNC operations too.
http://www.advancedrobotic.com/OoD2UnhbrIQ-video.html
That theory just doesn't seem to work with the 45 Tom, well I don't see it anyway :)
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davek0974 wrote:30A consumables arrived today, gave them a spin on 1.2mm 304 stainless and got excellent results :D :D As good as the finecuts on the 30XP were at least.

Both pics as they came off the table...

Voltage was low as normal it seems, 76v instead of book 98v but speed was bang on at 4000mm/min, pierce height 2.5mm, cut height 0.5mm. Still need to dial the THC in as its a bit unstable on thin stuff but at least it works and the table is now producing paying work. :D :D
Missed that one Dave, good stuff, might give those a try, have you tried them on mild steel yet?

Those edges look fairly square?
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SeanP wrote:
davek0974 wrote:30A consumables arrived today, gave them a spin on 1.2mm 304 stainless and got excellent results :D :D As good as the finecuts on the 30XP were at least.

Both pics as they came off the table...

Voltage was low as normal it seems, 76v instead of book 98v but speed was bang on at 4000mm/min, pierce height 2.5mm, cut height 0.5mm. Still need to dial the THC in as its a bit unstable on thin stuff but at least it works and the table is now producing paying work. :D :D
Missed that one Dave, good stuff, might give those a try, have you tried them on mild steel yet?

Those edges look fairly square?

No, not yet, i'm saving them for the really delicate stuff :D
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SeanP wrote:
acourtjester wrote:Here is a tutorial video about the arc shape that may help. They have many other tutorial videos dealing with plasma and other CNC operations too.
http://www.advancedrobotic.com/OoD2UnhbrIQ-video.html
That theory just doesn't seem to work with the 45 Tom, well I don't see it anyway :)
Same here, according to that theory, I am cutting way too high - my bevel is always wider at the top. Today I have made many test cuts, stopping mid-way and the torch is always close to the 1.5mm called for by the book. THC on or off, I always have a bevel.

I just don't see it.
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hI dave, You may need to change teh nozzle shield combination around to get the square cut on the size of material you need to work with. IF your shield nozzle combo will NOT let you get to an arc height you need then you need to change it so you can. Sometime I end up with rather ODD combinations that work with specific guage sheets.

You will never know until you try it (;-)

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But there is only one shield and one nozzle combination for mechanised cutting on a PM45??

The 30A ones have a completely different arrangement.
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davek0974 wrote:But there is only one shield and one nozzle combination for mechanised cutting on a PM45??

The 30A ones have a completely different arrangement.
This is what I'm wondering as well. I put the set of 30A consumables together yesterday and it looks like the nozzle sticks straight out of the shield. I am confused if this is the correct way of putting them together. According to the book, yes, but it's got me thinking then I might have the incorrect shield.

The nozzle looks flat on the 30A where the 45A is more of a point. Perhaps it is flat like this to do the touch offs. Hopefully Jim Colt or someone more knowledgeable might shed some light on this.
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It is flat - pretty certain the 30A consumables are unshielded i.e. the nozzle sticks out.

It does work though and are great for fine cutting, just don't last as long and easier to damage.
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davek0974 wrote:It is flat - pretty certain the 30A consumables are unshielded i.e. the nozzle sticks out.

It does work though and are great for fine cutting, just don't last as long and easier to damage.
Thanks Dave. Exactly what I'm hoping for as I get some terrible cuts with 45A on 1.6mm mild steel. Got to try the 30A stuff this weekend and see how I go. Also I have the water table, so it should also make a huge difference.
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Hi all

I hope thats how the 30amp conumables go together because thats how I do mine?

I have just finished cutting up loads of items from a full sheet of 0.9mm CR4 and the 30 amp consumables stood up very well
better than my nerves did :shock: the cut feed rate was at 8100mm/min, thats quick to keep watching just in case :lol:

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davek0974 wrote:Extract tray / chamber arrived today...
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Quality is excellent, glad i outsourced this part :D
That looks very nice. I plan on outsourcing this on my build too. Its about the only thing I plan on outsourcing but its hard to compete when the sheet metal companies have the tooling and expertise I could never hope to have. Do you have any more pictures of this from different perspectives or perhaps any drawings? I could sure use some to take to my local HVAC company. Cheers, Ed :)
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davek0974 wrote:Thanks Tom, my fault for not being scientific :D

What I was trying to convey was that the overall effort needed to move the mass of the gantry and overcome the sliding friction appeared very low.

In reality I estimate it will weigh around 10kg or so, if I remember i will put it on the scales next time I have it off the table for an accurate assessment.
Really, only 10 Kg including the motors and Z axis carriage and torch assembly? I am using 80/20 and a velox z carriage and I am concerned that I will end up with a complete gantry assembly weighing in at around 100 Lb.'s. Its mostly all Aluminum but still all the components collectively add up.
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Heres a zip with a DXF in it of the vent, this is what i sent to the AC guy.
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My gantry most likely is around 15kg, i can just about lift it safely with one hand so i doubt it weighs much more than that. I tried to keep it light by adding holes in the strengthening ribs etc and shaping the end plates nicely. This would be before i fitted the z-axis and torch so probably 20kg complete

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davek0974 wrote:Thanks Tom, my fault for not being scientific :D

What I was trying to convey was that the overall effort needed to move the mass of the gantry and overcome the sliding friction appeared very low.

In reality I estimate it will weigh around 10kg or so, if I remember i will put it on the scales next time I have it off the table for an accurate assessment.
Really, only 10 Kg including the motors and Z axis carriage and torch assembly? I am using 80/20 and a velox z carriage and I am concerned that I will end up with a complete gantry assembly weighing in at around 100 Lb.'s. Its mostly all Aluminum but still all the components collectively add up.
My Velox Z weighs in at just over 5.6 kg and add the nema23 stepper and it's up to 6.8 kg
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30A consumables again, 1.2mm 304 SS...
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I was chuffed with how this came out - absolutely perfect I think, no divots.

30A shielded consumables would be great if they existed ;)

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Looks spot on Dave! Well done.
What do you find best for edge clean up inside the intricate bits?
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SeanP wrote:Looks spot on Dave! Well done.
What do you find best for edge clean up inside the intricate bits?
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Thanks never seen those before they look good, could have done with one of those cleaning off galvanizing from weathervanes I did,,,,loads of filing,,,sod that game again :lol:
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SeanP wrote:Looks spot on Dave! Well done.
What do you find best for edge clean up inside the intricate bits?
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