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Re: Sync system

Post by rdj357 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:12 pm

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They aren't far off from making it a good system for both of us, but the bottom line has pushed them a little bit over the edge from normal..
Hypertherm in the past has given us a good product for a justifiable price. They missed a little here... so we will see..
Agree 100%. Despite the claims, this was rushed to market. I have no doubt that a significant amount of testing was done but with the number of 0-30 and ohmic 'hit material' errors today, I was ready to scream but I'm determined to use up this 45A FineCut SYNC cartridge before reverting back to the regular Duramax stack. I have taught and advertised for HT consistently for 5 years now. Now I hesitate when asked, there was no hesitation before. I encourage people to get the 45XP AND order it a la carte with the short machine torch because the DuraLock is another pile of manure. If they want to cut thicker materials faster making the 45XP unsuitable then I tell them I don't really have a recommendation other than Thermal Dynamics because no one has time to screw around with these errors all day staring at a cartridge that won't come apart, knowing if they could just take the shield off and clean it out it would probably be fine. I desperately hope they are working on a solution.

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Re: Sync system

Post by cstroke » Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:02 pm

I just tried running a 45 amp sync cartridge and it was a shit show.. 8 pierces total on that one and it's been a mess.. Ohmic failures left and right.. I ended up taking it off and using the regular consumables.
My 0-30 codes have only been a problem on the 85 amp consumables.
I have a new part for my torch so hopefully that was the problem and its not something in the machine.
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Re: Sync system

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Re: Sync system

Post by adbuch » Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:02 am

I agree with Robert on this one. For new users who don't know about the pre-sync series, and are uninformed and rely on the Hypertherm literature - they won't really know any different and will probably just accept it. For those in the know who historically have relied on Hypertherm for their cutters, unless they can make due with the 45xp I would expect they will be buying Thermal Dynamics or some other non-Hypertherm brand.
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Re: Sync system

Post by weldguy » Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:04 am

rdj357 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:12 pm
Agree 100%. Despite the claims, this was rushed to market. I have no doubt that a significant amount of testing was done but with the number of 0-30 and ohmic 'hit material' errors today, I was ready to scream but I'm determined to use up this 45A FineCut SYNC cartridge before reverting back to the regular Duramax stack. I have taught and advertised for HT consistently for 5 years now. Now I hesitate when asked, there was no hesitation before. I encourage people to get the 45XP AND order it a la carte with the short machine torch because the DuraLock is another pile of manure. If they want to cut thicker materials faster making the 45XP unsuitable then I tell them I don't really have a recommendation other than Thermal Dynamics because no one has time to screw around with these errors all day staring at a cartridge that won't come apart, knowing if they could just take the shield off and clean it out it would probably be fine. I desperately hope they are working on a solution.
Easyscriber put out a video showing an easy way to take the cartridges apart so you can use their SYNC scribe. I have used this method of taking them apart to clean out the slag and it works. Still sucks to have to do this but at least it's a solution that's much faster than trying dig or blow out the slag. I would suggest practicing on a worn out cartridge first that you don't plan to reuse.


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Re: Sync system

Post by cstroke » Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:58 pm

So if we were offering constructive feedback to Hypertherm..
*Make it so they consumables can be disassembled for cleaning.
* address the ohmic problem people are having.
*Adjust the price to bring it closer in line with the older consumables..
In reality they aren't far off..
thoughts on that??
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Re: Sync system

Post by adbuch » Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:12 pm

cstroke wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:58 pm
So if we were offering constructive feedback to Hypertherm..
*Make it so they consumables can be disassembled for cleaning.
* address the ohmic problem people are having.
*Adjust the price to bring it closer in line with the older consumables..
In reality they aren't far off..
thoughts on that??
I agree with your list. I think you are right on. And perhaps come out with an adapter to allow using the Duramax consumables on the Sync cutter. I expect this is possible, but something Hypertherm does not want to do for economic reasons. If I personally owned a sync cutter, this is something I would look into. As a mechanical/electrical engineer, this might not be too far out of my wheelhouse.

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Re: Sync system

Post by cutnweld » Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:23 pm

At any rate, Hypertherms hyperdef input on this thread kind of died... Jim Colt used to be really active... He had his own table... I wonder what he would have to say about the new system? Maybe this is why he retired? To embarrassed of the new system? The one piece thing is a joke IMO. I often pierce 3/4". I would be broke if I was buying a new cartridge every time i needed to remove slag. Might have to ask Trudeau for some cash if I ever end up with one of these, His printer seems to be in good working order! Or maybe Hypertherm doesn't accept plastic printed cash?
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Re: Sync system

Post by SegoMan DeSigns » Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:01 pm

cutnweld wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:23 pm
Jim Colt used to be really active... He had his own table... I wonder what he would have to say about the new system? [media]Maybe this is why he retired? To embarrassed of the new system?[/media]
:HaHa :HaHa :HaHa

Glad I found the 105 when I did,I will probably pick up a few more used non Sync systems along the way..

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Re: Sync system

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cutnweld wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:23 pm
At any rate, Hypertherms hyperdef input on this thread kind of died... Jim Colt used to be really active... He had his own table... I wonder what he would have to say about the new system? Maybe this is why he retired? To embarrassed of the new system? The one piece thing is a joke IMO. I often pierce 3/4". I would be broke if I was buying a new cartridge every time i needed to remove slag. Might have to ask Trudeau for some cash if I ever end up with one of these, His printer seems to be in good working order! Or maybe Hypertherm doesn't accept plastic printed cash?
My apologies for not being as active on this thread, I try to be as helpful as I can when questions are asked that i have the ability to answer or just give input. Jim Colt is regularly on CNC Plasma Tips & Tricks Uncensored, I'm sure if you asked him he would give you an honest opinion of the new SYNC systems. As for the list you have going for feedback, the ohmic issue is being worked on currently.
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Re: Sync system

Post by tinspark » Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:54 am

adbuch wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:12 pm
cstroke wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:58 pm
So if we were offering constructive feedback to Hypertherm..
*Make it so they consumables can be disassembled for cleaning.
* address the ohmic problem people are having.
*Adjust the price to bring it closer in line with the older consumables..
In reality they aren't far off..
thoughts on that??
I agree with your list. I think you are right on. And perhaps come out with an adapter to allow using the Duramax consumables on the Sync cutter. I expect this is possible, but something Hypertherm does not want to do for economic reasons. If I personally owned a sync cutter, this is something I would look into. As a mechanical/electrical engineer, this might not be too far out of my wheelhouse.

David
Do it bro!!
You would have many customers....
I love my 45xp, but if I were STUCK purchasing the sync, I would pay up for some kind of adapter, even if it meant raising my torch a few more inches!!
Or I might just shop another brand cutter, but in the interim I am still a happy Hypertherm customer for the time being
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Re: Sync system

Post by adbuch » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:03 am

tinspark wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:54 am
adbuch wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:12 pm
cstroke wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:58 pm
So if we were offering constructive feedback to Hypertherm..
*Make it so they consumables can be disassembled for cleaning.
* address the ohmic problem people are having.
*Adjust the price to bring it closer in line with the older consumables..
In reality they aren't far off..
thoughts on that??
I agree with your list. I think you are right on. And perhaps come out with an adapter to allow using the Duramax consumables on the Sync cutter. I expect this is possible, but something Hypertherm does not want to do for economic reasons. If I personally owned a sync cutter, this is something I would look into. As a mechanical/electrical engineer, this might not be too far out of my wheelhouse.

David
Do it bro!!
You would have many customers....
I love my 45xp, but if I were STUCK purchasing the sync, I would pay up for some kind of adapter, even if it meant raising my torch a few more inches!!
Or I might just shop another brand cutter, but in the interim I am still a happy Hypertherm customer for the time being
Doug - if I had a sync cutter to play with, I would most certainly look into it. But I'm most likely not going to spend the $3600 for a new sync 65 to find out.
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Re: Sync system

Post by tinspark » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:59 am

adbuch wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:03 am
tinspark wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:54 am
adbuch wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:12 pm


I agree with your list. I think you are right on. And perhaps come out with an adapter to allow using the Duramax consumables on the Sync cutter. I expect this is possible, but something Hypertherm does not want to do for economic reasons. If I personally owned a sync cutter, this is something I would look into. As a mechanical/electrical engineer, this might not be too far out of my wheelhouse.

David
Do it bro!!
You would have many customers....
I love my 45xp, but if I were STUCK purchasing the sync, I would pay up for some kind of adapter, even if it meant raising my torch a few more inches!!
Or I might just shop another brand cutter, but in the interim I am still a happy Hypertherm customer for the time being
Doug - if I had a sync cutter to play with, I would most certainly look into it. But I'm most likely not going to spend the $3600 for a new sync 65 to find out.
David
Roger that! :Like
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Re: Sync system

Post by cutnweld » Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:42 pm

The only way to fix the Ohmic sense issue is to make the cartridges in a way they can be taken apart, not? Or are you putting a motor in there with a little scraper that will activate when it senses slag, effectively clearing it out and tripling the cost of the cartridge? :HaHa
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Re: Sync system

Post by rdj357 » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:05 pm

I have been in communication with Hypertherm engineers and can confirm that the ohmic issue is being worked on and the solution is very promising at this point. They still cannot be disassembled but I have tested a cartridge and cut about 1,000 pierces in 10 gauge with only one ohmic error.

I'm encouraged and am looking forward to being able to recommend these machines for CNC table owners again soon. I don't really have a good basis for a consumable cost comparison but I can say that cut quality is definitely improved and I'm happy so far.

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Re: Sync system

Post by adbuch » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:29 pm

Robert - thanks for that update!
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Re: Sync system

Post by PlasmaLV » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:22 pm

HypHyDef wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:19 am
cutnweld wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:23 pm
At any rate, Hypertherms hyperdef input on this thread kind of died... Jim Colt used to be really active... He had his own table... I wonder what he would have to say about the new system? Maybe this is why he retired? To embarrassed of the new system? The one piece thing is a joke IMO. I often pierce 3/4". I would be broke if I was buying a new cartridge every time i needed to remove slag. Might have to ask Trudeau for some cash if I ever end up with one of these, His printer seems to be in good working order! Or maybe Hypertherm doesn't accept plastic printed cash?
My apologies for not being as active on this thread, I try to be as helpful as I can when questions are asked that i have the ability to answer or just give input. Jim Colt is regularly on CNC Plasma Tips & Tricks Uncensored, I'm sure if you asked him he would give you an honest opinion of the new SYNC systems. As for the list you have going for feedback, the ohmic issue is being worked on currently.
This thread seems to have some good traction. Looking at the Sync system now, few questions:

1) Seems as though data is stored from the consumables to let you know when they are spent. Is this based on pierces, pilot arc or arc time? A combination? Can you post an example of what kind or life expectancy these may have. For instance, 45 mins cutting 85A 1/2 mild steel? I assume there is some algorithm for this built in?

2) Will the system prevent you from using consumables past a certain point? For instance, lets say you want to use well worn consumables for pre pierces, a function offered with Hypertherms pronest. Will it let you use them "indefinitely" or prevent them from firing?

3) Probably the most important, I would expect there must be a significant improvement in cut quality with the re-design. Can you please post examples of this? Seems like a difficult sell without that component.

Thank you for your time,

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Re: Sync system

Post by HypHyDef » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:50 am

This thread seems to have some good traction. Looking at the Sync system now, few questions:

1) Seems as though data is stored from the consumables to let you know when they are spent. Is this based on pierces, pilot arc or arc time? A combination? Can you post an example of what kind or life expectancy these may have. For instance, 45 mins cutting 85A 1/2 mild steel? I assume there is some algorithm for this built in?
Answer: It monitors the voltage and through testing that feedback will produce certain waveforms that signal EOL is near

2) Will the system prevent you from using consumables past a certain point? For instance, lets say you want to use well worn consumables for pre pierces, a function offered with Hypertherms pronest. Will it let you use them "indefinitely" or prevent them from firing?
Answer: You can shut off the EOL feature, it will allow you to cut, once we get the 0-32 there typically is not much life left. They will not last indefinitely as the hafnium in the electrode will be used up. There is not a set amount they will last after the 0-32 each cartridge will be different. But you can get more use after an 0-32

3) Probably the most important, I would expect there must be a significant improvement in cut quality with the re-design. Can you please post examples of this? Seems like a difficult sell without that component.
Answer: Quality over life of the consumables. Smoother cut surface. I will try and find some internal picture examples to post.

Thank you for your time,

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Re: Hypertherm Sync plasma system

Post by adbuch » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:26 am

Yes - I believe that Robert has stated that he is getting better cuts - but with the sync cartridge on adapter to Duramax torch.
I would be interested to see closeups of the actual difference for Duramax vx. sync. Same cut paths, same material/settings, etc.
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