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PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby Merica_Metal » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:58 pm

I'm a bit confused on the pricing of the PlasmaCam unit. I called and asked about a 4x4 table and they quoted me $7980.00 + shipping. Then I read I have to get all of these "extra" software packages to really do anything. Can anyone tell me what a fully complete unit cost? :roll:
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby icmplasma85 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:29 am

Right around 15K will get you a 4x4 table, a Hypertherm plasma cutter, advanced design software, advanced machine control, and most importantly advanced height control. Do yourself a favor and do not buy a Plasmacam (or any table for that matter) without advanced height control (ohmic sensing). If money is tight at first you can do without the design and machine control upgrades, but you gotta have the advanced HC And don't do what I did and think, ehhh I can get by with the basic HC. You will not be happy with basic.
You will have to constantly zero out your Z axis manually by jogging the torch over to the cut area, lowering the torch shield to the top of the plate, open settings, and zero out the Z shift so that the software recognizes the torches physical location as the top of material. And Plasmacam's ohmic sensing works great. The table itself works great esp paired with a Hypertherm plasma cutter using fine cuts. And the advanced software is as close to perfect for designing and cutting parts and artistic drawings as you can get. Had mine 5 years and it still cuts great, extremely accurate and reliable.
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby jimcolt » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:12 am

If you just ask for a quote for a 4 x 4 machine from Plasmacam....then you will get the price of the machine without the software upgrades. I suggest contacting sales and asking for pricing with each upgrade, and a description of what the upgrades offer. All of the upgrades are software upgrades, and can easily add $5k to the "stripped" machine quote you received.

I have been using a DHC2 4 x 4 from Plasmacam for over 12 years (great machine, excellent software), I have all upgrades except Nesting. I think you will find a properly equipped maxhine in the $12,500 range (no plasma), and worth every penny! Jim Colt

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby RPM » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:17 pm

I have a Pcam that I have run for about 8-9 years and it has been good. Running the old 3.1 software which does everything I need it to do, perfectly. Looking at getting the 4x8 and talked to them about it all. Too many hidden cost and sales people are not up front with you at all. I can't run the software I have on a new machine. They won't sell me a new controller if I need one. Just putting this machine out of business. The new software only works with one computer, each additional seat as they call them is about another $1000.00. Check some of the horror stories of the new software. They are spending more time with software issues than they are making parts.

I won't be buying another Pcam, their greed will put them out of business. I am probably going to but a Trucut.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby Bobkovacs » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:11 pm

There's plenty of comparable or better machines at 1/2 the cost of a loaded Plasmacam. I paid $6k for my 4x8 setup, and it does everything the Plasmacam machines does, without the concerns about bearing needing adjustment or wearing out from running up and down a painted steel tube.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby jimcolt » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:55 pm

I for one (a 12 year owner of a DHC2 Plasmacam) will disagree with you. I would agree that there are machines priced similarly to a Plasmacam that are built heavier duty than a Plasmacam, however the Plasmacam's integrated software (when the upgrades are purchased) are hard to beat. The CAD is not universal, it is designed for plasma cutting. The CAM is seamless....simply convert the CAD into a cut path and it is instantly done. The height control is almost transparent.....no arc voltage setting and auto calibration for consumable wear and speed changes.

I have all of the original bearings on my Plasmacam and there are no "bearing adjustments"....so I suspect Bobkovacs may not have used a Plasmacam!

In a perfect world I would get the Plasmacam software and height control on a heavy duty machine that was ready to cut (fume control included) with servo drives and at the same (or lower) price. Unfortunately that does not exist.

Just to mention, I have owned or built over 8 cnc plasma cutting machines over the last 30 years. I currently have 3 machines (3 different brands) in my home shop. All work well, each has its advantages and disadvantages. It is nice having so many choices!

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Bobkovacs wrote:There's plenty of comparable or better machines at 1/2 the cost of a loaded Plasmacam. I paid $6k for my 4x8 setup, and it does everything the Plasmacam machines does, without the concerns about bearing needing adjustment or wearing out from running up and down a painted steel tube.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby motoguy » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:13 pm

jimcolt wrote:The height control is almost transparent.....no arc voltage setting and auto calibration for consumable wear and speed changes.


I'm quite happy with my Linux/CommandCNC setup, but this part...this makes me jealous.
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby rdj357 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:01 pm

I'm with Jim. The CAD/CAM being the same program with near seamless work back and forth is a huge plus. I cut 3/4 plate on my 5x10 so I'm not sure how much more 'heavy duty' I'd want it... lol I've seen some beautiful machines with open source stuff and will probably build a CNC router with that technology but I'll pay for it with revenue from the Pcam. :-) I'll echo the little to no maintenance troubles either.

Oh, and yes the CAM part of their software is pretty limited to plasma but I use the CAD to design many files for laser cutting with my co2 laser. With a kerf of .004" I'm designing a lot smaller details than plasma can produce with no problems.
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby stones » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:06 pm

Interesting read. I have been looking for a table and finally made the call to Plasmacam and was informed that a 4 X 4 table with all the upgrades available (along with the advanced DesignEdge software) was 12k out the door. it seemed like a pretty normal sales pitch until I started asking about technical support. The sales guy also was pushing for a "money down right now today" spill, that seemed kinda sketchy to me. Anyone else had this happen? is this pitch normal practice for them?

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby tcaudle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:06 pm

There are arguments both ways on having an all-in-one design and cut (kinda like a Flat screen HDTV with built in microwave oven and popcorn dispenser) versus three different compatible pieces. If drop dead simple is what you want then the all-in-can be a good choice. If flexibility and more options and being able to pick and choose features sounds appealing, then you have to look at an unbundled option. It depends on what you do. If you cut brackets and mechanical parts you are not interested in a lot of the features you can get with a drawing program versus pure CAD. Things like being able to go out and harvest quality vector clipart and decorative lettering (not Fonts) from places like www.VectorArt.com. The commercial sign guys know that vector formats like AI, EPS and CDR are a standard. Being able to take designs, do fills (even in colors and with shading) to use to build a proof of concept on a complex and expensive custom design has value . Having a CAM program that lets you modify a POST or do mixed cuts is nice. For some of you brave guys with a mixed use table, being able to switch to something like VCarve Pro or Aspire requires you change out the Drawing and CAM as well. There is fear and doubt in learning new stuff and anything that appears to make it easier is interesting but with simplicity comes restrictions. Much like training wheels on a motorcycle its easier but not a long term solution for more advanced users.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby krymis » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:48 pm

I think with all my upgrades i was at $22,000. I got all the needed upgrade software including the nesting, the router, the air scribe, hypertherm PM65, the snap cut break away mount, the machine torch, the divider board, conveyor table, and HF air dryer.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby punkin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:39 pm

does anyone know if plasma cam charges to transfer ownership of the software license?

i’m curious to know the cost of license transfer, as well as purchasing an additional seat for working in designing on a separate computer.

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby rdj357 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:41 pm

No cost to transfer. Assuming software is current version an extra seat is 500 for the first one. They get cheaper if you need more.
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby punkin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:47 pm

Excellent information, thank you!

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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby tnbndr » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:14 pm

does anyone know if plasma cam charges to transfer ownership of the software license?

I don't think they charge you to transfer the user license but they will not offer support to the second owner of the table and software. At least that is what they told me when I was shopping 5 years ago. I asked them why or if there was a support subscription fee and they said no, they were in the business to sell new tables and software. I think there is a user forum for Plasmacam users only somewhere. I decided to go another route.
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby rdj357 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:01 pm

There is a great forum at the owner's community. There are a couple Facebook groups that are easy to find with a search. I'm also putting together regional training seminars that will begin this September.

As far as support for second owners, yes to my knowledge as long as you're running version 4.44 software you will get the same assistance as any other owner. They no longer support the old verison 3.11
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Re: PlasmaCam Pricing

Postby abmetal » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:00 pm

I bought a 4x4 Plasmacam in 06, had it for 4 years and went to a Samson 5x10 in 2010 and I'm still running it...lots of hours. I've not had any problems with tech support and wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. VERY user friendly.

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